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voting tonight. we also have live pictures of a polling place in baltimore city, maryland. they are voting in rhode island, connecticut, pennsylvania,
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maryland and delaware. five big states. it's been called many things. chief among them, the new england regional primary tonight. brian williams, rachel maddow. we might see the emergence of both party nominees before we are done here tonight. polls close now less than an hour. the stakes couldn't be larger. rachel can start this hour off with a special guest. >> we do have a special guest. very happy to say we have the national political director for the donald trump campaign. he's also the former campaign manager for the scott walker campaign which was of an earlier era of this race. rick wiley, thanks for being with us. nice to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> i know the trump campaign position can is that you're going to get enough delegates on the first ballot that all of these states is not going to
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matter. that's a game that ted cruz can play but you guys are going to win. how much do you need to do tonight to make that pledge a reality? >> we're going to have a great night tonight. i think some of the exit polling showed one of the misno, ma'ame donald trump is not a great general election candidate. i disagree. 70% said they would support donald trump as the nominee. we're neck and neck with independent voters across the country or three points behind hillary clinton. tonight we're going to have a good night. i can't give you a prediction of the number of delegates. this race take a turn tonight. ted cruz is going to be mathematically eliminated. we're going to turn our focus to the next contest. i feel good about where we are. the other thing someone mentioned about before i came on about the delegate battle in pennsylvania.
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it's one of the places where we had a hand to hand combat on the ground with our slate cards out there. we put together a good ground game in the last couple of weeks this pennsylvania. we're proud of it. >> in terms of that pennsylvania ground game and the difference of what you've been able to do versus the other states, as somebody who joined the trump campaign already in process, what's your assessments of why the trump campaign got its clock cleaned in so many previous states. in these states where he won huge but the cruz campaign was able to clean up delegates in these aftereffects. why were they able to do that? what was wrong ? >> some of these processes were put in place last year. in some of these instances the process was well under way. at the end of the day we're going to get to 1237. the second ballot taught the is how they're going to win the
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nomination is just not going to happen. it's not based in reality. >> the common wisdom, the pundit common wisdom, the beltway take on that, it's mathematically dean and there done. if you don't get it on the first ballot and it does go to a second ballot, you're toast. the trump campaign no matter how well they did across the country would have no chance making the case to insider rnc functi functionaries. what's wrong with that common wisdom? >> the common wisdom is we're going to get to 1237. they formed this alliance. what happened was someone failed to mention this alliance to governor kasich because he seemed caught off guard. then what just happened in oregon. if the kasich-cruz alliance was supposed to work, governor kasich failed to make the pamphlet in oregon.
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it was oregon, new mexico he was goes to go in and play and he's not on the pamphlet there. i think someone left the governor out of this talk. it doesn't matter because we're going to get to 1237 after the california primary. we're going to go into cleveland with a united party and donald trump as our nominee. we're going to take it to hillary clinton and the general election and win. >> what can you tell us about donald trump's tone tonight and it's important and germane because he's been all tone. that's what it's about. as we said earlier, last time we saw him in the setting of trump tower lobby it was senator cruz. yesterday it veered way, way, way back to lying ted. how much talk does this get internally about his tone. at tend of the day i know you're going to tell me it's up to mr. trump. what can you tell us about which mr. trump will show up in the lobby of his own building? >> donald trump the victor is going to show up.
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that's what happens when you are able to tap into a movement that swept across this country. with 8 million more people that have voted than in 2016, turn out in republican primaries is up 60%. this is a movement that donald trump has -- he's been able to tap this. leave it to donald trump to figure out what the middle class voter wants to hear out there. that's what you're seeing across the country. next week with go back to the midwest. my home part of this country. nebraska, west virginia after that. there isn't a region where donald trump hasn't won and you'll see that moving forward. >> did the hillary clinton comment yesterday do any damage to you folks? was it talked about internally? her point, i'll paraphrase. if you're going to run across america, you got to get to know america. you have to get out of your jet,
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trump tower. >> that's rich coming from hillary clinton. i passed her place up headed to nbc last night. she takes the scooby van into iowa under the cover of night. this is the secretary of state who is so wildly out of touch with the american public. we look forward to a contest with her in the fall. >> rick, chuck todd is listening in. he wants to get in on this conversation. he's hearing us from philadelphia and has a question for you. >> rick, very quickly, i want you to address the story in politico this morning about maybe you to be generous call them growing pains. what has donald trump said to you and manafort what about is some sort of uncomfortable arranged marriage in running this campaign. >> he told us to win, front and center. that's what donald trump is all about. he's waner. this team is united as one team moving forward.
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we're going to have big str victories tonight. we're going to go into ted cruz territory next week. the bottom line is go out and win. >> there's no acrimony between the two people that run this campaign? >> no. this is much ado about nothing. >> one last question for you. i've been so interested in your trajectory, personally, in this race. what's the difference between working with scott walker, lifelong politician guy seen as the perfect establishment pick going for this nomination this year. you went from scott walker to working with donald trump who has never run for political office ever before. what's the difference? >> i have great admiration for governor walker. that was a fantastic campaign. we ran into a buzz saw name donald trump. at the end of the day, there's a
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lot of people that ran into that buzz saw. it's a different dynamic. at the end of the day this country is tired of what's going on here in washington, d.c. they are looking for a true outsider. i'm happy and honored to be on this team and look forward to delivering a victory. >> where our team is concerned, because we don't get to talk to you often, nicole wallace wants the next question. stand by. >> all right. >> i don't think anyone doubts your candidate's connection with the republican base on economic issues. i wonder how you view the importance of connecting on national security issues with women who in 2004 were a deciding vote on issues of keeping us safe. how important is it to you that this, i understand there's a national security speech in the works this week. how important is it to you that your candidate grow and evolve and build trust with republican voters, particularly republican women on this issue? >> it's an important issue. there's no doubt about it. i'm going to go back to the gw battleground poll where voters
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who, and this was two days ago, voters who feel that national security is like their number one issue, i believe the numbers, we were up almost 3 to 1 over hillary clinton. i believe you're seeing someone from the outside who tells it like it is. they call out isis for what they are and you're going to see something tomorrow in a national security speech here in washington, d.c. you can trust donald trump sitting in the oval office. that's what a lot of people will see. >> you would acknowledge you're not there yet? i think a majority of republican women do not quite trust him yet on the question of commander if chief. do you view this as a political, on your political to do list? >> is anyone ready to step into the oval office and become president of the united states? i think that answer is no. there's a series of steps that everyone takes. donald trump will lay out a
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vision where a lot of people will sit back and say this guy is ready to enter the oval office. i look forward to the speech tomorrow. >> rick wiley, national political director for the trump campaign. busy night for you. expect it to be a big night. >> thanks. >> eugene, your take. >> that was fascinating. one thing i don't have a sense of yet is whether trump listens to these political professionals at all or if that's give and take or whether in the final analysis he feels he has to be guided by his instincts. there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between the sort of professional campaign talk that we heard from rick and the candidate himself who, i don't think is ready to be bound by
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that or to always play by the rules. he'll give a foreign policy speech. then lit be back to lying ted, crooked hillary, vladimir. >> no lack of moxy as we just heard from national political director. the question is asked is anyone really ready to be president of the united states. it's the thesis statement of the hillary clinton campaign that she is ready and knows her way around, you'll forgive the phrase around the oval office. we're coming up on 45 minutes until polls closing.
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there are so many localisms at work tonight. there's so many states voting down this baltimore. they divided between baltimore city and baltimore county.
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this, i'm told, is baltimore city. magnificent mural in the background as voters go to the polls as they have under an hour to do now. we're nearing poll closings in the five states. >> one of those places where the democratic race is fascinating on lots of different levels. there's something like 13 people in the baltimore mayoral election. >> huge. >> even though it's ten to one republicans this baltimore, they get their say and the congressional districts matter. i love nights like this. on the republican side the big question is whether or not donald trump will get to 1237. he will or whether or not he won't. republican voters have strong opinions about that or they have some preferences they have voiced tonight. we have some of that from the exit polls. >> it points to bad news from the stop trump movement. a lot of potential stop trump
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movement isn't on board with what they want to pull off here. we asked republicans in these states if no one reaches 1237, if you get the open convention, what should the convention do? look at this, nearly 7 70% of republicans said the candidate with the most should be the candidate. donald trump is clearly going to have the most delegates, the most states. this candidate would be donald trump. among trump voters, they say that. trump has been talking about how unfair. voters for kasich and cruz. more than 40% agree with what donald trump has been saying. that candidate should be the nominee. this illustrates one of the central challenges that the stop
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trump movement has. it wants to stop donald trump. it assumes everyone not voting for donald trump is on board with every strategic and tactical decision they would have to make to fight him to the end. the numbers say that's not the case. the trump message is appealing to what should be the heart of the stop trump movement. those are troubling numbers. >> speaking of those troubling numbers, let's bring in man who may be the leading road warrior on behalf of senator ted cruz. if you've seen any of our coverage of this campaign season, you've seen that usually not far from ted cruz is veteran iowa republican congressman steve king. thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you. steve set us up for my opening question. the trend we're seeing in tonight's exit polling, b, the fact that your guy is
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campaigning in indiana. the fact he's not favored to have a good night tonight. we'll start flying around after 8:00 p.m. tonight. what's this all about for your g guy? >> the cruz campaign did not expect to have a terrific night tonight with the north eastern states. they are influenced a lot by the heavy media that's covered donald trump for a long time. this campaign, the cruz campaign has focused on the rules. the rnc rules. i want to remind people that every presidential candidate that i know of has been nominated by the party, by the majority of the delegates that go to the convention. that's what we're doing here. this is something new. this is an anomaly that's put in place in 2012 because of the ron paul movement to create this automatic votes that take place as a result of the reflection of the caucus and primaries. donald trump is in a situation
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where he has two ways to win the nomination and only two. one of them is to get to 1237 on the automatic vote that will be cast by the state party chairman and not by the delegates. if that happens, donald trump will be the nominee. if he falls short then the other alternative is to demagogue the issues so he can intimidate a rules change to serve up the nomination to the person who gets there with the most promised delegates and never let the delegates at the convention cast a vote. if they do, then ted cruz will be our nominee. >> this supposed deal between your candidate ted cruz and candidate to divy up indiana and oregon in new mexico between the two candidates. it appears to have collapsed. i can't tell if it ever existed in the first place.
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if it did exist and fell apart, whose fault was it? >> it's a difficult thing to execute. all it really is an assignment of resources where ted cruz has decided that he wants to put a lot of resources and a will the of time into indiana. i think that's smart to do that. i know governor mike pence there. his values and flexireflections reflect throughout indiana. i think ted cruz lz do well there. however you add these up, i don't see anybody yet that's pointing to this and saying donald trump gets to 1237 with or without this strategy. >> to be clear, the campaign managers said there was a deal but the super pac is supporting ted cruz is running anti-kasich ads this indiana. kasich is going to indiana. senator cruz is on the radio today talking about how he's not conceding oregon and new mexico. both candidates have said i'm
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not telling anybody to vote tactically to stay out of this race. it seems like any effort to try to unite against mr. trump to keep him from 1237, we had the first inklings of that and as soon as it started, it was over. it doesn't seem to bode well. >> it's hard to track the logic of john kasich and his strategy. i personally like him. the other piece is with the super pacs continuing with our effort, that's an indication they are not coordinating. they might pick up signals that come out that all of us would see. i don't know if you put a lot of stock in this. the effort in indiana is going to be significant key. when you look out across the country and beyond that, you can look at nebraska, south dakota, montana. all the the states where ted cruz will be strong and then california is state that, i don't want to say the whole state is up for grabs but it may well be and a lot will be determined by the congressional
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districts. tell cruz will be strong in many areas in california. we're going to get to cleveland and nobody's going to be at 1237. i'm going to have to spend the next several months reminding americans that we have a set of rules. that is that if there isn't -- if the nominee is not selected on the automatic ballot that denies the actual casting of votes for the delegates except for a few that are not bound then we go to the decision made by delegate themselves and they are elected and selected from the states for the purpose of reflecting the wishes of the republicans within those states. they're judgment is endorsed. they elected in counties and within the districts and elected at large from state. it will be a legitimate decision but it's going to be the second or subsequent ballot that will determine the nominee. >> steve king and road warrior in chief for ted cruz. thank you very much for joining us and taking our questions tonight. our coverage continues right after this break.
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we wanted to kick around what we just heard from man who has been the cruz surrogate in
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chief. >> steve king from iowa who has been early and loud and important endorser for ted cruz saying there, interested in either of your take on this, that making this public case, you can hear him making this shift that the first ballot is a functionary decision. the second ballot is the legitimate way. >> yes is no. up is down. for decades now, both political party vs givies have given the impression they get to choose the nominee. they feel like they are participating in the choice. the position of mr. king is you just chose delegates and they get to do the decision making. you don't. i don't think that will go over well. you saw the figure asking voters in the states if nobody has 1237, what should happen. the answer is 69% or something
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like that. >> even his candidates voters. >> even his candidates voters. many believe it should be the candidate with the most votes. rick tyler into this question. talking about the automatic ballot as the republican insiders where the delegates don't get to weigh in, what is that about? what does that mean? >> the party has rules. what donald trump is suggesting is what he wants is a rules change. these are the rules. every organization has rules. he can go to the rules committee and have them changed. each state gets to decide how their delegates are allocated.
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some states decided to bind most delegates. most in first ballot are bound. that is they represent the voters who elected them. on the second ballot, about 80%, 60%, become unbound. on the third they become more unbound. the reason is you don't want to have a deadlock convention throughout. that are an organization. >> it's not my impression that the trump campaign is seeking a rules change. they are just seeking to win on the first ballot. they are seeking to get 1237, you don't need to change any rules. >> if he does do that, he'll be the nominee. there will be no question about it. he'll go into cleveland. on the first ballot he'll get the votes. he's got to go through the process of trying to get the regul
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number of ballots. ted cruz has been around the states and collected the first ballot trump voters that would vote for cruz on the second ballot. >> i heard king talk about pence and values. why isn't he talking about a pence endorsement? >> i know both of them have met with governor pence. he's arguably the most conservative governor in the united states and i'm sure they are both actively seeking his endorsement. it's up to pence whether he endorses or not. >> you used to spin for the campai campaign. how would you spin if he didn't. he's very widely respected. the same swath of voters if he doesn't is that -- >> it's got to be a blow to cruz. >> i think it's a political calculation on all the governors. they decide whether they will get involved. they may try to weigh in and make a difference.
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we'll see. >> rick, thanks. thank you for being part of this conversation. another break for us. 7:31 and change eastern time. polls closing in under a half hour. what would be critical in determining the future for both parties.
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i'm too pleased with the republicans either. this is the worst election i've ever seen in my life. i've seen many of them. >> who did you vote for on the national ticket? >> bernie sanders. >> if she comes out ahead nationally. >> you'll vote for her? >> of course. she's a better option. >> i like hillary. i like the ideas that bernie is coming up with.
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i like him as far as what he has to say. >> kate snow had the day with baltimore voters. all fascinating. we should never forget the expression of the first gentlemen. it's the worst election he's seen in his life. a guy that looks like he doesn't like to brag normally. let's go do baltimore. a city that spent way too many months in news fthe news for al wrong reasons. where are you? >> we are in west baltimore. we're at the center for senior citizens. polls were set to close in merchandise roughly 25 minutes from now. they remain open for one additional hour. that's because of a judge's
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order. her claim was that several polling clowe indications open late this morning. a judge saying an hour, hour and a half max should do it. polls will be open for another hour and a half around several parts of baltimore, rachel. >> thank you so much. appreciate that. it's nice to have you with us. >> thanks for having me. >> we're expecting the clinton campaign is going to have a good night. what are you expecting in terms
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of the number. >> we feel good about three of them, maybe four. connecticut will be very close. we're confident we're going to come out expanding on our 2.7 million popular vote over sanders and our pledge delegate lead over him. senator sanders won't have enough real estate to catch up. >> when you say insurmountable and highlight the metrics on your lead, are you making the case that senator sanders should get out the race or start campaigning against your candidate in a different way? i think the decisions is up to senator sanders. i think the math is the math. when you've been in campaign this long and this competitive,
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only each candidate can make their decision. i think in terms of both democrats, the most important thing is we unite this party when it's clear who our nominee is. i think we have a big fight with the republicans especially when it comes to helping working people get ahead. we'll be running against the party that doesn't want to raise the minimum wage and doesn't believe in equal pay for women and wants to build walls and create nuclear proliferation around the world. we have some small differences but we can't let that distract us in november. >> republican senator thought too be too vulnerable. three strong democrats facing off to try to earn the right to run against him in the fall. last night secretary clinton told me that the way she wants to change the democratic party
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is basically to get more democrats to turn out in off presidential year elections, to put more focus on winning not just presidential races but also congressional rations, senate seats, stats legislatures, governorships. i appreciate why she wants to do that. i don't see how she's leading the democratic party to do that as republican turn out is up in all these races where the democratic turn out is not breaking any records. >> you got to remember when the records were set in the democratic party they were set in 2008 and that campaign started with three super stars in the party, barack obama, hillary clinton and john edwa s edwards. that campaign between hillary clinton and barack obama was competitive all the way through. we've had very high turn out in most states. in the states that have big turn out, hillary clinton has tended
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to win those states. you have to remember every election is a contest and about choices. the choice in november is between the nominee and our party and either one of the republican candidates in the lead now, that choice will be very stark and very clear. the stakes will be high and that's when we'll see turn out go up. i think you have to keep building the party and sustain that into the off year election. i think that's what hillary clinton is committed to doing. >> thank you, joel. about that night ahead of us, polls close in a little over 20 minutes. we fit another break in here. we'll be back with our live coverage right after this. they found out who's been hacking into our network.
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who? guess. i don't know, some kids in a basement? you watch too many movies. who? a small business in china. a business? they work nine to five. they take lunch hours. like a job? like a job. we tracked them. how did we do that? we have some new guys defending our network. new guys? well, they're not that new. they've been defending things for a long time. [ digital typewriting ] it's not just security. it's defense. bae systems.
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we are back. now it's 14 minutes and change away. the polls close in five states tonight. at the top of the hour we'll be able to issue our first characterizations of night. in the interim we just heard from the clinton campaign. steve can kind of fact check their math tonight. steve. >> they're saying the math looks
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good for them. on this one they are right. this is the delegate situation. let's just ignore these two columns right here. the numbers can still change. just look at the pledge or allocated delegates. coming into tonight this is the scoreboard. hillary clinton, the lead says 270. the small piece of good news, the state of washington which he won big. this number will come down to 240. that's the gap heading into tonight. he needs to make up 240 in the pledge delegate category. that number, this is what we're dealing with tonight. these are the number of pledge delegates up for grabs in these states. he was getting clobbered down here in merchandise. why maryland, very high african-american population. he's struggled in states with high african-american populations. he looks like he had chance in connecticut, a chance in rhode
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island. if he gets narrow wins, if he gets narrow win he might make up five delegates. they are being given out in these states. after tonight, this is all that's left on the democratic side. >> quarter of the delegates left. thank you. chuck todd is in philadelphia. chuck. >> thank you, rachel. i've got the governor of pennsylvania here. tom wolf. yes, you have a beer but no relation. i'm sure you don't like those jokes or you never get tired of it. why is she the prohibitive favorite here? what did she do right and what did bernie sanders do wrong in not being able to get closer as far as the polls are concerned? >> i don't think bernie sanders did anything wrong.
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she got people to believe, as i do that she had the heart, brain and experience to be a great president. she's what we need to bring economic justice. the things that people are crying out for in this country and to bring back respect for governor. i think she has that. that's why she's going to win in pennsylvania tonight. >> have this debate of whether pennsylvania is a swing state or not. do you expect it to be -- if it's clinton trump, do you expect it to be a close race. do you think they can waltz their way through pennsylvania. or do you think trump could do better here than people think? >> i don't think anybody can waltz their way through pennsylvania. i think what pennsylvania wants
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is that economic justice. i think they are looking for candidate to present that. they don't want to throw away their vote. they want to get to a better place. i think they believe hillary clinton is the person to do that. >> we're going to go to ted cruz quickly. your voting laws here, voter registration deadlines are way early. it's a closed democratic primary. are you thinking that the whole thing should be opened up a bit better? >> absolutely. i've already done online voter registration to try to get more people to vote. >> apologize for keeping it short. we got a presidential candidate speaking. take it away. >> doubt they vote fortrump. i want you to think for a second, the network executives are they democrats or are they republicans? >> democrats. >> every one of them are ready
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for hillary. donald trump is the one man on earth hillary clinton can beat in a general election. the candidates in this race, the republican and democrat, they're both going to be new york liberals. i got good news for you. tonight, this campaign moves back to more favorable terrain. tonight, this campaign moves back to indiana and ne -- and nebraska and north dakota and montana and washington. and california.
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now, the media want to say everything is decided. and the question is, can the state of indiana stop the media's chosen republican candidates? well, as y'all know, we're here on the hickory basketball court. and bruce, who travels with me, bruce, i want to ask you something. do you have a tape measure with you? tell me something. how tall is that basketball rim? ten feet. you know, the amazing thing is that basketball ring here in indiana, it's the same height as it is in new york city and every other place in this country and there is nothing that hoosiers
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cannot do. now, there's been a lot of meez area speculation late ly about vice presidential. and i have an announcement to make. a major announcement. hillary clinton has decided on her vice presidential nominee. hillary has picked donald trump. now, it's important to note, hillary had a very careful vetting process that went into this. she wanted someone who shared her vision of the federal government. you know, donald trump recently a town hall, he was asked name the top functions of the federal
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government. he said security and then he said health care, education and housing. funny thing is if you asked hillary, she'd say the same. bernie would be like, wow, that's aggressive. you don't only want socialized medicine, you also want to put the federal government in charge of all education, education, common core. according to donald, that's the core responsibility of the federal government and housing. how many people ready for the federal government taking over the housing market? and you know, donald and hillary, they are flip sides of the same coin. hillary clinton had made millions of dollars selling power and influence in
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washington and donald trump has made billions of dollars buying politicians like hillary clinton. but some in the media might say, come on, that's not fair. it's not reasonable to suggest that donald trump and hillary clinton could f run as a ticket. i'm going to walk you through 13 policy issues. froms where donald and hillary have the very same views. trz let's start with the area of jobs. my number one priority is jobs bringing back jobs and economic growth. bringing manufacturing jobs back to the state of indiana. raising wages for the hard working men and women of this country, but it's interesting. donald trump on jobs, donald and hillary, both agree that our
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taxes should be increased. last week, donald trump went on national television and said, yes, we should increase jobs, well, that's a great idea. increase taxes. that's a great idea if you want to kill jobs. if i'm president, we're going to cut taxes. second critical area under jobs, donald and hillary both support the obama care individual mandate. both of them think it's a terrific idea. now, if you care about jobs, you know obama care is the biggest job killer in america and as president, i will repeal every word of obama care. a third area where donald and
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hillary get it wrong on jobs is immigration. both donald and hillary believe that illegal immigrants who are here should be able to become u.s. citizens. now, donald thinks that we should fly -- >> you've been watching ted cruz live in indiana. why indiana? they vote next. and ted cruz is banking a lot on indiana as you may have picked up from his remarks. interesting timing coming right before the 8:00 p.m. eastern time poll close on five states. radio talk show host hugh hewitt. where do you put this whole mess right about now? >> as donald trump had to win out to use a term of match golf, in order to get the first ballot nomination. he's going pick up between 100 and 106 delegates tonight. still going to need 286 delegates out of the next ten primaries.
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51 out of new jersey, brian, give him half of the other ones, but he's going to need roughly 170 delegates out of california and indiana combined. that's a very steep hill and so, i was listening earlier with congressman king. i think it's going to a second ballot. chuck todd may disagree a little on the map. i don't think donald trump has a lot of unbound delegates who are committed to him. we'll know more when we look at the pennsylvania results tonight, but i think we're headed to a second ballot in cleveland unless ted cruz's momentum is blunted in indiana. he's there for a reason. making references to the hoosier movie for a reason and it's a good, strategic plan. >> what do you make of all the ore references, the attack on the media? >> you bet. he said the media wants to anoint donald trump as the candidate. that never fails to please the republican audience to criticize the media, so, that resognates, that goes along way.
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and if you look back at the coverage of the past week, there has been a lot of conclusionary statements about trump being the nominee when the map doesn't support it. just looking at the next ten primaries, doesn't win in nebraska, montana p south dakota. west virginia is the screwiest state of all. they're proportional states. really is all about indiana and california. and ted cruz has a lead in indiana and we will look for the two ps. pence and pete. those are are the two most important republicans and two most important states. >> what happens to john kasich? he wins oregon. absolutely the worst for john kasich. increases his leverage of the convention. i don't know how new mexico played out. cruz seated new mexico to krasic in their deal, but he is a player heading into cleveland. going to be holding on to a
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couple of a hundred delegates. >> hugh hewitt, who will remain of counsel for us tonight. in irvine, california. thank you very much. a lot to react to in those last 60 seconds. >> truch is ahead in the polls in indiana, so it may be ted cruz may be making his big move there and he may want us to be talking about na instead of these five states about to have their poll closings in 50 seconds, but these five states are a lot of delegates to make. >> it gets so interesting after tonight. after a few seconds from now. when we learn more about the trajectory, what everyone's been saying tonight are the two people who have the biggest night this eempk going to be the nominees. >> we saw ted cruz, talking tonight this his pre poll closing speech about how he's so happy to be moving to friendlier territory. thank dpod we're getting out of the northeast. these states count and there's a lot o them that are about to vote tonight and ted cruz is looking again down the barrel of
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an absolutely terrible night where he gets probably nothing or next to nothing while still try i trying to make the case he's a stronger candidate than donald trump and that's a hard thing to do. zpl we're about to find out some of that. it is upon us, the top of the 8:00 hour and with it, the ability with the closing of polls to make our very first projections. we start in the state of pennsylvania. upper left. we are projecting that when all the votes are counted, donald trump will be the victor. not only the victor, a significant victory tonight for donald trump. in the pennsylvania primary. in the state of maryland, on the gop side, we're projecting when all the votes are counted, donald trump will be the victor there. again, a significant victory for donald trump as it will be in connecticut. as the voting heads up in new england tonight, two states up

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